My last comment on this will be from a blog:

http://www.first-draft.com/2009/11/from-your-first-cigarette.html

This is for you, Shaena.

lana, parents are the first biggest influence...teachers are the second.

shaena is most definitely a former public school student and look where she is as far as grammar, spelling, common sense, etc.

i guarantee as crazy as it sounds that it would be far, far worse had she been homeschooled. there are so many parents that can't even get out of bed to get their kid to school, get them to school on time, or feed them 3 times a day - much less teach them!

that was my point.

To be fair, Ms. Thomas could also serve as a perfect example of why you should homeschool. She is a product of a public school system.

Personally, I think her foul mouth, disrespect, poor grammar skills, etc. should be blamed on her parents.

Parental involvement is key whether a child is homeschooled or goes to public school. No parent can sit back and expect teachers, DVD's, or the internet to give their children a complete education. Encouragement and respect must begin at home no matter what.

I just read my post and I realized I said something that doesn't make sense. The cat killers and rapists WOULDN'T be going home to do it all over again because they wouldn't be going home. Just thought I'd clarify that.

This story makes me just as mad as the story about the thugs who tortured and killed the cat. My mom was raped at 15 and that's why I'm here. The justice system didn't give justice to her or myself. That thug spent a year in jail with work release. That's a harsh punishment, eh? Yeah, right. He died before I got to him, though. Good thing. I'd have been like sheriff Wydell in Devils' Rejects. The justice system ain't nothing but a running joke and everyone knows it. If I had witnessed that situation I wouldn't have notified police, either. I would have been all the police that girl needed. ^%$# the police and the justice system. That's my belief. I can understand trying to mind your own business and all that kinda thing, but killing a cat or raping someone is a situation I would not be able to ignore. As far as I'm concerned, the police and justice system could do what they do best by beating the hell out of me and putting me in prison for doing what's right. The rapists and cat killers could go home and do it all over again.

jane, you already know i disagree about the homeschool thing, and this site is a perfect example of why:

look at shaena thomas: what would happen to her kids if they were homeschooled by her?

could you imagine?

that is exactly why we need public schools.

is her own name even spelled correctly? i guarantee it's pronounced sheena!

Oh my goodness sakes! Shaena Thomas with your outlook I surely hope your daughter, if you have one...(12 years old do give birth)...I pray she doesnt live close minded and in a closet as well. This is real stuff, real life happenings, and Im sorry to be another here to add that LIFE HAPPENS regardless. These type of beast can find you wherever you hide.

Ms Thomas I assume you go shopping with parents, family or even alone to the corner market...are you truly safe ? Hardly. If you think for one minute that sealed off bubble you live in will protect you from harms way..Im so sorry to inform you..YOU ARE AT RISK as the rest of us. My thoughts and prayers are with you that you will never have to endure something so horrid as this child has, as well as her family.

Well said, Jane. People are silly to think THOSE things only happen to other people.
I'm sorry about your friend.

The poor grammar, punctuation, and spelling displayed by the younger set on this thread is a prime example of why one should home school. The educational system has obviously failed them. I would say their parents have failed them as well when they judged this poor girl so harshly without a drop of empathy. Society has completely broken down and we seem to be hurtling in the wrong direction. Sad that.

Shaena, I personally know a a girl that was given 7-up and cherry syrup by a "friend" when she was 15. She was thristy and gulped it down with a straw, although it tasted much like cherry cough syrup. 15 minutes later she collapsed vomiting onto the pavement outside after trying to get somebody to take her home from the school function. It turned out that the drink wasn't 7-up after all. It was cherry sloe gin that had been given to a girl that had never drank alcohol in her life.

It seemed that the football player that she had turned down for a date because her parents would not let her date until she was sixteen, thought he had been rejected and wasn't happy about it. The football team dragged her around the building and raped "the ice princess" laughing and spitting upon her after they were through with her.

Later, a few of the JV players that watched, but chose not to participate, came back to pick her up to take her home and threaten her to keep her mouth shut if she told. Unfortunately, the girl vomited on one of them while they were driving down the road. He opened the door and pushed her out. She hit her head upon the concrete and tumbled into the ditch. She told me that it was like being in a nightmare. Seeing and hearing it all, but not being able to lift a finger to do anything.

Luckily for her, a sister of one of her friends was driving behind the boys and saw her hit the pavement. She and her husband scraped her up and took her to the ER. They didn't get the license plate of the boys, because they were focused on the girl that rolled into the ditch.

The ER personnel didn't ask about the rape. She assumes the pavement covered up the torn clothes and contusions to her skin. She was treated with coldness as if she were just another drunken slut that they had to treat.

After the girl was able to think and talk, she kept her mouth shut because she didn't want her father to know. She didn't tell her mother or friends because it would get back to the father.

Her life that was all planned out for her that she wanted did not materialize due to the mental problems afterwards. She eventually healed and went on to get her degree, but there were many pitfalls along the way that she attributes to that horrible night.

Shaena, don't ever think that something bad cannot happen to you because you are following all the rules. Bad things can and do happen to good people. Instead of staring down your snotty nose thinking yourself to be better, try some having some compassion. You may need some of that same compassion yourself someday.

I always try to use proper spelling and grammar no matter what I am writing, though I do have some problems with comma splices. However, that is neither here nor there, and I personally don't give a shiny rats hiney if someone likes to appear undereducated.

The girl had consumed alcohol; whether it was willing consumption, or if it was poured down her throat, I don't know. She most likely drank it willingly.

The girl had been made fun of for various reasons, one of them being that she had a crush on a boy in her class. I have not seen anything regarding whether or not the boy was one of her attackers, but I feel that he probably was. I believe he was more than likely the one who "escorted" her over to the other boys and men.

All this girl wanted was to "fit in" and be liked. In her naivety, she likely accepted the drinks. At 15 years of age, and possibly her first time even drinking anything, it would have taken very little to make her a bit wobbly.

She said no when one of the boys asked her for sex, and when they pulled her to the bench she tried to kick one of her attackers in the testicles. They then began beating her, and proceeded to savagely rape her. At some point she came to be unconscious.

The girl did drink. She was naive. But she did NOT deserve what these beasts did to her.

It's pretty difficult to dance with an open drink in your hand. If you are at a club, they will not allow you to take your drink to the restroom. Ms. Thomas, some of these guys are pros, and you are just a naive young girl who thinks she is perfect and knows all.

For the record, 16 different people have commented so far. Of the 16, only you and Mr. Christian feel the same. Getting an AA degree requires some form of math, so I'm sure you realize that 2 out of 16 does not make a majority, and most certainly does NOT make you right.

A little advice for you. When a female gets on a public site such as this and says she isn't distracted by guys, many people will assume she is a lesbian. When a girl uses such vulgar language as you just used, people will assume she is pure trash. Also, this is a public comment board; not your personal board. If you do not want anyone "arguing" with you, then try not commenting.

Just for the record, no woman is asking to be raped because she happens to drink alcohol.

Being raped is a conscious violent act committed against a person that either has not consented to the act, or someone not old enough to consent, and is the sole responsibility of the rapist, not the victim.

Please let me restate, rape victims are not to blame because it was not their fault that some scumbag assaulted them.

you don't have to worry because nobody would ever invite you to a party. you should be pretty safe.

Ms. Thomas, if you do find yourself at a party, please don't make the mistake of thinking you are safe simply because you got the drink yourself. Be aware that many guys drug a girl's drink AFTER she has already gotten the drink herself. Be aware that many of these guys work in teams. One pecking you on the shoulder. In the split second it takes you to look over your shoulder, the other drops the drug into the drink. Going to the bathroom, getting up to dance, etc. are all good opportunities for these guys.

Ms. Long, thank you.

then you should be conservative enough to not use run on sentences. also, it's spelled "too" and not "to."

maybe you shouldn't have quit going to school after that first semester when you took that psychology class.

lana, you're right....AS IF the girl wasn't screaming already when being raped with a baseball bat!!

Please read the news reports on this story. These were NOT, I repeat NOT, her friends.

These men were raping her with a baseball bat. Mr. Christian, do you really believe the people that stood by watching this would have reacted differently if she were kicking and screaming? That they thought the LIFELESS girl WANTED to be raped simply because she wasn't screaming?

Ms. Thomas, you have a lot to learn. I sincerely hope you learn these things before you find yourself in a bad situation. I have known of women who were raped when they drank nothing more than soda (their cola was drugged without their knowledge) while flirting with guys. How do you know Natalie Holloway was drunk? I went to clubs as a young adult and drank nothing but soda. How do you know she wasn't drugged with that date rape drug. The one that takes away all of your ability to resist. The one that makes you do whatever you are told without question.

While you are gaining more knowledge of the world, I also hope you will learn to show more respect for others. If you expect others to respect you, you must also show respect for them. Calling people morons, ignorant, etc. because they do not share your opinion, is very juvenile. Showing respect for others is a direct reflection on you. Hopefully you learned in that psychology class that most people who have no respect for others, have no respect for themself. If someone calls you a name, then by all means return the favor if you feel the need. Otherwise, try making your case with facts and well thought out reasons instead of name calling.

Well, I still say that the girl was partially responsible for what happened to her. She did not have to join the group of boys and she did not have to drink. In addition if she had fought kicking and screaming I don't believe all the people would have been watching and not taking action to stop it. In addition, there were numerous other girls at the same event who did not get raped. They did not join a bunch of older boys. They did not drink alcohol. There is no excuse for what the boys did but you cannot expect teenage boys to have any more sense than a teenage girl when they are drunk. The real culprit is the one who furnished the alcohol. Another real culprit is the parents who did not teach their kids to not drink alcohol until their legal age to do so. Another culprit is our society which does not instill a sense of real values in our children. I am not talking about religious values either. You don't have to be religious to know right from wrong. We have been steadily going downhill in teaching values and holding kids responsible since the Sesame Street generation grew up and started raising kids. The bottom line is that when a teenage girl puts herself in a position where she can be raped or gang raped then she is partially responsible for what happens to her. In addition, her parents are partially responsible for failing to teach her to avoid such situations. In today's world we need to teach kids early about dangers that we never faced when we were kids. We have a violent and desperate society and it is up to us to do everything possible to stay safe. I would be willing to bet that those men who raped the girl have a long list of crimes on their criminal reports and probably should not have been there in the first place if our criminal justice system was worth a hoot. So we also have to blame the criminal justice system for what happened. In the end though we must realize that the girl could have avoided what happened had she known and done the right thing in the beginning. We must accept that she was partially responsible for what happened to her and start educating the kids on how to avoid these situations.

Oh, now I've heard it all. A woman is NEVER responsible for being raped, especially not a 15 year old CHILD. That's ignorant. No one forced them to rape her.

so, if a 21 year old girl was drunk when she got violently raped and had foreign objects stuck inside of her....would it be her fault, ms. thomas?

are you saying any woman that drinks is reponsible for bad things happening to them, or just if they are underage?

you are a complete moron. that's why i couldn't think of anything else to say. it's hard to communicate with morons.

Ms. Thomas, you are the one missing the most important point of this issue. The girl did NOT join this group VOLUNTARILY. The facts also tell you she did NOT drink VOLUNTARILY. This is NOT a story of a girl partying, getting drunk, and getting raped. This is a story about a girl who was FORCED to join the group, FORCED to drink, and then brutally raped and beaten.

Ms. Thomas, the last time I checked, damn was still considered a curse word. Check your comment on 11/5 at 7:08 pm.

If you are going to claim to be so smart, then might I suggest you try proving it. A better grasp of the English language would be a good place to start.

I did not bother answering your so-called questions because it is obvious you cannot see beyond that nose you look down upon people with.

Do a little research for yourself. Begin by checking out the difference between vodka and brandy (including price). Ask yourself why EVERY single person in that group was drinking cheap vodka, but gave the girl the "good stuff." If you don't recall from your teaching in school, then look up how long it would take and how much alcohol a girl would have to consume before passing out. With that information, read the multiple stories on this case and pay close attention to the time frame. She left the dance around 9:30, the attack lasted 2 1/2 hours, ending shortly after midnight. Do you really believe this girl VOLUNTARILY drank enough brandy to pass out in a mere 5-10 minutes?

If you want to have a discussion with adults, try acting like one.

This was a terrible act of violence! A victim of violence should not be blamed. Sheana, your comments are mysogynistic.

I am reminded of a friend of mine whose daughter attended kindergarten and a four-year old was raped by one of the guards at the school. After the incident, the principal called the parents together and told them to not let their girls wear short skirts. Blaming the victim in this story is just like blaming a 4-year-old for being raped because her mother put her in a "short skirt".

When are parents going to start teaching boys that violent behavior is wrong? The onus here is on us, the members of a society who let incidents like this happen without examining the underlying causes and recognizing our own apathy. We are all responsible.

I am beginning to believe that Kingsport might be an excellent location for a facility whose primary function is psychiatric research.

There seems to be a wealth of textbook lunacy cases everywhere you turn.

It's amazing really, the disregard some show for their fellow man.

I wonder, if this person's posts were printed and taken to a professional for evaluation, if a crew of men in white coats, a straight jacket, and severe shock treatment would be the prescription?

i can spell better when i'm "waisted" than you will ever be able to do sober, "miss thomas."

you are an idiot. i can't even think of anything else to say...it's that simple.

I don't drink Ms. Thomas, I am over twice your age, I have a college education, I know how to use proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling, and I can have a discussion without resorting to curse words or name calling.

The reports initially said that she collapsed and then they dragged her to the bench and raped her. Even if she had been sober, with that many boys/men, I doubt she would have been able to fight. As a matter of fact, a more recent article has the following (I censored two words):

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The group of about a dozen boys and young men was already well into 2 gallons of vodka. After they liquored up the girl with brandy, they proposed sex, according to several accounts by friends of those who were there but asked not to be named for fear of retaliation.

The girl said no. Some of the men placed her on one of the two red cement benches set alongside the main brick building of the school and said they were going to have sex anyway, according to the accounts.

"They had her down on the bench and the ***** tried to kick 'Tweak' (one of the men) in the ****," said one young man, who said he had a first-hand account of the attack from Smith but was afraid of being named. "He went off on her, started hitting her, and then it was on. They pulled a train (a gang initiation-style rape, one after the other) on her."

What ensued was 2 1/2 hours of beatings and raping, at times with a foreign object. The scene attracted onlookers, some calling others over by cell phone, and eventually there were as many as 10 men or boys sexually assaulting the girl while another 20 looked on, laughing and snapping pictures. Teachers and students were searching last week for at least one video that many said was filmed of the attack.

The rape finally stopped, around midnight, after students at a house down the block heard of what was going on and called police. The girl was found, semiconscious, beneath a picnic table.

"Her face was purple and blue and she wasn't moving when they finished and ran," said Eraclio Lopez, 23, who lives nearby and ran over when the police cars rolled up. "I guess those kids thought what they did was tight, was cool. But it was terrible."

The girl was released from a hospital Wednesday, but her recovery has only begun, police Lt. Mark Gagan said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/31/MNR41ACRGU.DTL#ixzz0W2VAUWOo

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So, yeah, by this account the girl tried to fight back, and I doubt it would have made any difference if she'd been sober.

Ms. Thomas, you said the girl put herself in the situation and thus was to blame for what happened to her. If you walk home alone, you are putting yourself into the situation to be kidnapped and killed. If you drive during peak drunk driver times, you are putting yourself in the situation to be hit by a drunk driver.

Anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child to most people. Some girls are having sex as young as 13. Does that mean they are no longer a child?

Ms. Thomas, you have a lot of growing up to do. Maybe by the time you reach my age, you will understand that people make mistakes and a young girl can be afraid to say no when surrounded by a group of bullies.

Ms. Thomas, you also were educated on proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation, but . . .

Let me ask you. Every child or teenager that walks home from school despite being told of the dangers, are they to blame if they are murdered? Everyone knows the problem of drunk drivers and the times and days when more are on the road (after the bars close). If you are driving during these peak times and are hit by a drunk driver, is it your fault?

Thank you. I try to always be respectful on here, but this girl really pushed my buttons.

Ouch. Lana brought it, and Shaena got told.

Well played, Lana.

Ms. Thomas, sounds like the air is getting pretty thin up there on that pedestal you have put yourself on.

Young lady, I am not an idiot. The girl was escorted over to the group; she didn't walk over voluntarily. Since she didn't go voluntarily, it is also reasonable that she also didn't drink voluntarily. She did not take her own clothes off. She did not consent to sex. She is a child and a victim. Even if she had drank voluntarily, do you honestly believe that gives a bunch of guys the right to ram a baseball bat in her?

Ms. Thomas, in your whopping 20 years on this earth, have you never made a mistake? Never done something you really didn't want to, but did due to pressure or fear? Are you so perfect and led such a perfect life, that you can say a child who was being bullied at school, was forced/coerced into drinking, was then brutally raped repeatedly and with a bat, beaten, and robbed, was at fault?

You say, "I'm smart." That's debatable!!

Regardless if she did say yes to drink, yes to sex yes to drugs...she DIDNT say yes to the brutality of this hideous crime against her. The adults in this situation should of made better judgment calls and protected this child. As for the 2 dozen who didnt contact the police...same punishment should be handed to them as the ones involved doing the crime.

The little girls life is now forever changed due to these actions taken against her. Trust me I know first hand. Her family will now suffer daily as will she.

Thank you so much to the caller who took the time to save this girl from the fatal ending that could of taken place.

To anyone reading that DID or even THINK you may have seen or heard something in this..please please contact the police in your area to share it. THIS COULD BE YOU NEXT TIME!

Shaena: All caps? Really? I won't bother reading your post, simply because of the all caps.

wow, what an idiot for trying to turn things around to make it the girl's fault.

i drank alcohol for the first time when i was 15. i may have even been 14 now that i think about it!

i wasn't "troubled". i didn't have anything disturbing going on in my household. i made straight A's in school. i always went to school. my teachers would've been shocked to know.

there were several times when i was 15/16 that i was drinking alcohol with my friends (female and male). i had never even kissed a boy (by CHOICE). so, even though i wasn't interested in sex...would it be my fault if i had gotten raped and lost my virginity to a FOREIGN OBJECT just because i was drinking when i shouldn't have been? people talked crap in high school because of the partying my friends and i did. they told themselves i must be giving the guys something for them to be hanging out with me on the weekends. why do people assume that everyone is having sex? did they try? of course....teenage boys are going to try when they're sober. they definitely tried when everyone was drinking. the only difference is that my friends listened when i said NO and these scumbags didn't.

just because she was drinking around males doesn't mean she was "asking for it" or however you want to make it seem. there is no excuse for a grown man having sex with a teenager - drunk or sober. there is no excuse for a teenage boy raping anyone. there is no excuse for a teenager girl drinking alcohol, but raping another HUMAN and putting foreign objects inside of them is a little more than bad judgement.

I forgot the link:

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/national/5_Suspects_in_Custody_in_Gang_Rape_Beating_of_Girl_After_Homecoming_Dance_44874954

An article on an Atlanta news site states the following:

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The victim had been verbally abused by her classmates in the past, a student told the station.

“They used to make fun of her because she had a crush on a boy in class,” said Richmond High senior Susan Meas. “And they used to make fun of her because of the jeans she wore and stuff. She had to barge out of class crying one day."

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I wonder if the "crush" had anything to do with it?

One of the articles states she was "escorted" over to the group that was drinking. This tells us that she didn't necessarily join them voluntarily. She may not have been kicking and screaming, but she didn't seem to want to join them. Peer pressure and fear can cause a teenager or anyone to do things they really don't want to do. The drinking may not have been of her free will either. To drink such a large amount in such a short amount of time would indicate the possibility of force or coercion. Her collapsing could indicate being drugged as well.

She was passed out when she was dragged to the table, stripped, and raped. How in the world was she suppose to either consent or fight when passed out?

Mr. Christian, you have said repeatedly that she intentionally put herself in the situation. Would anyone be expected to reasonably believe that simply walking over to some friends and drinking would result in a brutal assault by multiple men? If you play with a knife, you can expect to get cut, but a teenager experimenting with alcohol can expect to be gang raped?

We all know that allowing kids to walk home alone can be dangerous for many reasons. By your reasoning, if a child is kidnapped while walking home alone, then the child is just as responsible for his/her death as the killer.

It sounds to me like this was planned and carried out with the help of the so called "friend" that stopped her when she was leaving the dance.

Cari, it would have been a violent rape had she been fighting to get away which it appears she was not. Quite possibly this was some sort of gang initiation given where it took place. It is considered rape to have sex with someone who is too intoxicated to know what he or she is doing. The thing is, the girl intentionally put herself in the situation. She was guilty of underage drinking and maybe even of drug abuse. It is typical for law enforcement to paint a worse case picture of what happened. Obviously it was gang related because some of the witnesses were afraid of gang retaliation if they came forward. If the girl were trying to get away or screaming and begging for help then you could call it a violent rape. I seriously doubt that was the case. 15 year old girls can and do consent to sex and sometimes with multiple partners even though they cannot legally do so. In any case where a 15 year old girl consented to having sex with multiple partners and the law enforcement became involved it would be painted as violent rape. I am not going to accept that the girl was not partially responsible for what happened to her. As far as the underage boys, they to were intoxicated to the point they could also be said to not know what they were doing and so if having sex with an intoxicated person is rape then it would follow that the girl raped the boys since they also were children and could not consent. But that is just looking at it from a different angle. Should the lives of these boys be destroyed for a situation in which each member of the party voluntarily put themselves.

I would just like to know there is some loop holes in the story the youg girl got invited to drink with some friend's. I want to know what happened to the friends who invited her to drink while she was being raped.........Something is wrong with this picture was she raped or wasn't she this must have been a really troubled teen to me she must have dranked alchohol before she was not in a hurry to get home if she went to the left some parents just cannot control their kids must have been some kind of trouble in her house hold if she is drinking at a young age. I am pretty sure she has been in some kind of trouble before now she wants to cover up with a band aide like she is so innocient, which i am pretty sure she is not ssure I do feel sorry for her she should really get some help for her alchol addiction she might take drugs to me she is in on this gang and is embarassed at what other people saw her do.

rape with a foreign object?

OUCH!

oh, not to mention....more people came to join in after they heard that there was a drunk girl passed out on the bench.

that is disgusting and anyone who doesn't think so has serious issues. let's stick some "foreign object" in you and see if you think it's not so bad after that.

True, Harvie, we don't KNOW she was beaten, robbed, etc., but we don't KNOW that any more than we KNow that she was drunk. But that is what all of the news outlets are reporting happened, an dI don't know why they would all make something like that up.

You may have just made a mistake and not known what you are talking about, which is fine. But perhaps when the subject matter is so serious and sad as a violent gang rape of a child, it would be worth it to take a minute to research what you are talking about and think how it might effect others before saying such a judgemental, slanderous, and hateful thing.

And from http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/28/MN621ABOF6.DTL

The first suspect arrested in the case, Manuel Ortega, 19, of Richmond, was charged Wednesday with rape in concert, rape by force, robbery and assault with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.

From same article: Three minors -- ages 15, 16 and 17 -- are each charged with felony rape with a foreign object.

The victim drank a large amount of brandy in a short period of time while socializing, police said, then collapsed. Someone dragged her to a bench, where several people stripped her, beat her, stole her jewelry and other belongings, and raped her.

The sexual assault continued for about two hours, detectives estimate, with several young men and boys taking part, possibly including some who arrived after the attack began, as word spread.


- From http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13662965?source=most_viewed&nclick_check=1

We don't really know she was beaten. We do know she was drunk and that she went there of her own free will and got drunk of her own free will. We also don't know she was robbed. I doubt she was humiliated simply because she was too drunk to be humiliated. More than likely she started out voluntarily having sex with some of the guys. The fact that she was drunk played a large part in what happened to her. I'm not saying it was right for the guys to have sex with her but I am saying it is possible for her even though she is only 15 to engage in the sexual activity of her own free will even if she would not have done it had she not been drunk. Under those circumstances I don't think those boys under age 19 should be charged with rape or statutory rape because in their drunken state all they saw was a willing person to have sex with. They all, including the girl, should be charged for underage drinking and public lewdness.

Harvie, she was also beaten, robbed and humiliated over a two hour period. For you to say that is consensual and her fault makes me sick to my stomach. She is also a child, and I hardly think an intoxicated child can consent to violent sex with multiple partners beating her behind a building.

The authorities say it was Gang Rape and everyone is quickly onboard with that. The fact of the matter is that the girl put herself in the situation and submitted to having sex with these guys. Gang Bang would be a more legitimate term to use. It seems to me the only people who could be charged with any kind of rape would be those who were over 19 and they could be charged with statutory rape. Authorities are unwilling to accept that a 15 year old girl can consent to sex. Some young boys lives will be ruined because of this ignorance. She was found semiconscious because of the large amount of alcohol she drank. When a girl gets drunk and takes her clothes off is it really rape for the drunk guys to have sex with her? Not really though I am sure the prosecutors will call it that.

RE : "You must be so unhappy, what with this need to get that liberal dig into everything you write."

Said the pot to the kettle.

I don't know, I think the Knoxville torture murders trump this, and they were in your back yard.

Now what was that phrase about glass houses???

You must be so unhappy, what with this need to get that liberal dig into everything you write.

California...the legalize everything state. Looks like it's really paying off.

they need to line all of them up and shoot them.

Only one person bothered to call police.